> What is IRR if NPV is negative?

What is IRR if NPV is negative?

Posted at: 2014-12-05 
Reading notes from here

http://en-us.thinkanddone.com/

Using this NPV calculator

http://en-us.thinkanddone.com/tadNPV.exe

NPV = 5100.81

Using this IRR calculator

http://en-us.thinkanddone.com/tadIRR.exe

IRR = 9.79%

Manually finding NPV using this tool

http://en-us.thinkanddone.com/online-npv...

DCF1 = ### -62000 x (1+8%)-0 ### -62000 x 1.00000 ### -62,000.00

DCF2 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-1 ### 10000 x 0.92593 ### 9,259.26

DCF3 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-2 ### 10000 x 0.85734 ### 8,573.39

DCF4 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-3 ### 10000 x 0.79383 ### 7,938.32

DCF5 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-4 ### 10000 x 0.73503 ### 7,350.30

DCF6 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-5 ### 10000 x 0.68058 ### 6,805.83

DCF7 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-6 ### 10000 x 0.63017 ### 6,301.70

DCF8 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-7 ### 10000 x 0.58349 ### 5,834.90

DCF9 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-8 ### 10000 x 0.54027 ### 5,402.69

DCF10 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-9 ### 10000 x 0.50025 ### 5,002.49

DCF11 = ### 10000 x (1+8%)-10 ### 10000 x 0.46319 ### 4,631.93

NPV (Annuity Due) T= 0 to N-1 ### 5,100.81

Manually finding IRR using this tool

http://en-us.thinkanddone.com/online-irr...

f(r) = -62000(1+r)^0 +10000(1+r)^-1 +10000(1+r)^-2 +10000(1+r)^-3 +10000(1+r)^-4 +10000(1+r)^-5 +10000(1+r)^-6 +10000(1+r)^-7 +10000(1+r)^-8 +10000(1+r)^-9 +10000(1+r)^-10

f'(r) = -10000(1+r)^-2 -20000(1+r)^-3 -30000(1+r)^-4 -40000(1+r)^-5 -50000(1+r)^-6 -60000(1+r)^-7 -70000(1+r)^-8 -80000(1+r)^-9 -90000(1+r)^-10 -100000(1+r)^-11

r0 = 0.1

f(r0) = -554.3289

f'(r0) = -263962.8111

r1 = 0.1 - -554.3289/-263962.8111 = 0.097899973330841

Error Bound = 0.097899973330841 - 0.1 = 0.0021 > 0.000001

r1 = 0.097899973330841

f(r1) = 3.9357

f'(r1) = -267722.2164

r2 = 0.097899973330841 - 3.9357/-267722.2164 = 0.097914674139569

Error Bound = 0.097914674139569 - 0.097899973330841 = 1.5E-5 > 0.000001

r2 = 0.097914674139569

f(r2) = 0.0002

f'(r2) = -267695.6664

r3 = 0.097914674139569 - 0.0002/-267695.6664 = 0.097914674868595

Error Bound = 0.097914674868595 - 0.097914674139569 = 0 < 0.000001

IRR = r3 = 0.097914674868595 or 9.79%

No, something went wrong with your NPV calculation. At a 10% required rate of return (RRR) and $10,000 annual net cashflows for 10 years, the NPV is only -$554. But at a RRR of 8%, the NPV is actually +$5,101. Here is an online financial calculator and cash flow chart to prove it:

http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculator...

The IRR is the point where the NPV is zero. Based on the above problem specifications the IRR is 9.79%. Oh yes, to answer your other question, if at a certain RRR the NPV is negative, that only means that the IRR is less than the RRR.

Here is another IRR/NPV calculator, if you only have up to 6 irregular cash flows:

http://www.datadynamica.com/irr.asp

Net investment 62,000

Useful life 10 years

Annual cash inflow 28,000

Annual cash outflow 18,000

RRR 8%

I have an NPV of approx -129100

I can't find the IRR, NPV does not become 0 if I choose a 10% rate.